CVS manager chokes shoplifter...to death...

[kval07]

I used to work at CVS, and NO you can't go off and choke the crap out of people. You can't even lay a hand on them. PERIOD. There is no doubt that the manager played a role in this guy kicking the bucket.

No matter what this guy did, he didn't deserve to die. Stealing some petty drugstore stuff does not deserve the same punishment as murder either.

Vigilante justice...I didn't realize so many people were on board for it. At least if you are going to take the law in to your own hands, make it worth it. If this dude loses his job, was it really worth killing this guy over?

[manders13]

WOW! I thought death row was crowded her in Tx as it is, but using that logic, we would have a lot more folks hanging out on death row if stealing = murder

Though I think stealing is wrong, I don't think stealing and murder should be ranked the same and last I checked, neither did the law books

LOL woah that's not "my belief" that's what i learned on a TV show about the bible. According to it, it says "stealing is as bad as murder"

[manders13]

I used to work at CVS, and NO you can't go off and choke the crap out of people. You can't even lay a hand on them. PERIOD. There is no doubt that the manager played a role in this guy kicking the bucket.

No matter what this guy did, he didn't deserve to die. Stealing some petty drugstore stuff does not deserve the same punishment as murder either.

Vigilante justice...I didn't realize so many people were on board for it. At least if you are going to take the law in to your own hands, make it worth it. If this dude loses his job, was it really worth killing this guy over?

i'm on board with vigilante justice. :shrug7: IF he get's hit with anything i'm sure it will be something along the lines of involuntary manslaughter.


I also thought CVS employees weren't allowed to touch a shop lifter so i do agree, he should atleast lose his job :shrug7:

and as for texas and the death penalty, I agree that 10 years of sitting on death row is 9 years and 8 months to long.

[$Saving!]

If attempting to stop a thief is vigilante justice, then I support it. In fact, there were several (according to the video from the alley) people who helped subdue the man until police were called. The man punched the manager in the alleyway and others came to assist.

If criminals know that no one will do anything to attempt to stop them, they will continue to turn others into victims.

How many stories do we read of thieves who get killed in attempted armed robberies and there is most often a comment about "just give them what they want or you could end up dead" from police responses to the employee doing something that stopped the criminal?

Just like they tell rape victims, don't fight it.

Ever been raped?

[CW&M Mom]

Do you believe he intended to kill the man? With all those others there to help restrain this man who punched him (shown in video according to reports)?

I don't think he did from what I read on local news coverage.

Certainly his family might file wrongful death and that is their right to do so.

But I'm not so quick to assume he murdered the man with intent.

He was negligent...that is what I would charge him with...he ignored his training, he didn't get off the guy...when he told him he couldn't breath...and common sense says you choke someone long enough...they die.

he also doesn't have to have intentionally killed the guy for it to be murder.....off the top of my head...when a parent shakes there baby to death...to get them to stop crying...are they intentionally trying to kill the baby??? Usually not...they still get charged.

I will give some latitude to cops....heck I'd give the CVS manager some latitude if the guy came in armed or did something like attack another customer...thus needed to be held down...BUT not for stealing crayons and toothpaste.

you confront the guy...he either stays or he runs...sorry but that is the sucky part about being the CVS manager....is people sometimes are going to get way with shoplifting. He certainly hasn't saved CVS one dime now...in the end CVS would rather make money then pay lawsuits and there is literally nothing sold at CVS that is worth more than what the lawsuit will cost them.

[manders13]

He was negligent...that is what I would charge him with...he ignored his training, he didn't get off the guy...when he told him he couldn't breath...and common sense says you choke someone long enough...they die.

he also doesn't have to have intentionally killed the guy for it to be murder.....off the top of my head...when a parent shakes there baby to death...to get them to stop crying...are they intentionally trying to kill the baby??? Usually not...they still get charged.~ THe baby didn't commit a crime how does this even fit into what's being talked about??

I will give some latitude to cops....heck I'd give the CVS manager some latitude if the guy came in armed or did something like attack another customer...thus needed to be held down...BUT not for stealing crayons and toothpaste. ~Of course not, it wasn't YOUR stuff he was stealing. I catch someone in MY house stealing, i will shoot to kill. period.Don't worry we will feel the inflation FROM stealing soon enough

you confront the guy...he either stays or he runs...sorry but that is the sucky part about being the CVS manager....is people sometimes are going to get way with shoplifting. He certainly hasn't saved CVS one dime now...in the end CVS would rather make money then pay lawsuits and there is literally nothing sold at CVS that is worth more than what the lawsuit will cost them.

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[CW&M Mom]

If attempting to stop a thief is vigilante justice, then I support it. In fact, there were several (according to the video from the alley) people who helped subdue the man until police were called. The man punched the manager in the alleyway and others came to assist.

If criminals know that no one will do anything to attempt to stop them, they will continue to turn others into victims.

How many stories do we read of thieves who get killed in attempted armed robberies and there is most often a comment about "just give them what they want or you could end up dead" from police responses to the employee doing something that stopped the criminal?

Just like they tell rape victims, don't fight it.

Ever been raped?

This wasn't an armed robbery...and I would feel different if it was....and this isn't a rape. I don't consider stealing crayons and toothpaste along the same lines of a crime as RAPE..and neither does the justice system. One is a first degree felony...the other is a misdemeanor.

[CW&M Mom]

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and your within your right to shoot your intuder...BUT if you catch the guy in your house...tie him down and then shoot him...you get charged

[$Saving!]

This wasn't an armed robbery...and I would feel different if it was....and this isn't a rape. I don't consider stealing crayons and toothpaste along the same lines of a crime as RAPE..and neither does the justice system. One is a first degree felony...the other is a misdemeanor.

I was referring to vigilante justice - not trying to compare crimes.

I wished to point out (and did) that as long as criminals know that no one will challenge them, there will be more victims than criminals as they re-offend as they have no expectation of being challenged.

Bottom line is that criminals need to know they will be challenged more often, that they cannot continue to steal and threaten others and their honest businesses knowing the police rarely catch them and the owners or person's they are stealing from won't defend themselves.

Call me a vigilante if the term now means I won't roll over and play victim.

[loaslaen]

I read the Huffington post coverage and it was missing a lot of information which is too typical of media coverage, went to local Chicago news and found the following:

So, this guy had a history of theft, and drug violations. And according to video, he wouldn't stop struggling.

You'd struggle too if you couldn't breathe. It's a natural reaction from getting the oxygen supply to your brain cut off. There were 4 guys restraining him. They didn't have to cut off his oxygen/strangle him.

I've seen movies of public hangings where the people are watching and even cheering and I never understood how people could do that. After reading some comments here and some comments on the article sites, I see no difference. The lack of compassion among some people is so disheartening.