The Employee Meeting

[southsider]

Our area pays tax on the cars, rate vary if it is private or commercial vehicle.
Police attend more places with more people traffic and higher valuables. Nothing but common sence.

Mary, I have talked to the cops. This has nothing to do with people and traffic. They do a ride around and check in on the businesses. This is at night. This is not done in the residential areas.


If all businesses rely only on census data available free, I wonder why they pay BIG bucks for all marketing research done by private companies?

The Census is raw data. They are paying for the raw data to compiled into useful information. They can get the raw data themselves and compile it in-house if they wanted to.


could it be possible to consider that business is lifehood of millions of people, owners AND employees, and the military is to protect people 1-st then the property??

American businesses in foreign counties benefit the owners of those companies. This does not benefit American's as a whole and it is therefore not for the general good but for the good of the few.

Shall we really get into a discussion of how well our military is protecting us? My dad always used to tell me that our military jets could be anywhere in this country within 5 minutes. They really did a great job of that on 9/11 didn't they?

Mary, where are you getting that the military is to protect people 1st over property? It sounds like you are just assuming that they do.

[Dengineer]

American businesses in foreign counties benefit the owners of those companies. This does not benefit American's as a whole and it is therefore not for the general good but for the good of the few.

Shall we really get into a discussion of how well our military is protecting us? My dad always used to tell me that our military jets could be anywhere in this country within 5 minutes. They really did a great job of that on 9/11 didn't they?

Mary, where are you getting that the military is to protect people 1st over property? It sounds like you are just assuming that they do.

What were they supposed to do, shoot down every civilian airplane in the country when no one was sure yet what was going on?

[southsider]

You need new material. I have picked this "stuff" apart on other posts and here it gets shredded again. But I'm willing to bet that you'll be bringing it up again. That's fine with me because I find it amusing! Also amusing is that you mentioned Adam Smith--it just happens I am reading the unabridged Wealth of Nations (again) right now!

Picked apart what? You have got to be kidding me.

So running a small business with my DH for the past 8 years = I have no idea what a small business is.

If you are saying that one single business is going to cause an individual to file a 60 page tax and still be considered small than I would say you have a distorted view on this. I worked at a CPA firm for 8 years and I have put together those tax returns. Not just one. I have also seen my grandparent's tax return and it was no where near 60 pages. A 60 page tax return is not going to be caused by one small single business. If that business is causing you to file a 60 page tax return you would be talking about a medium size business.

I told you that if there were investments and/or if there were several businesses I could see the possibility of and individual filing a 60 page tax return and still calling them small businesses.





Stop bringing up facts Mary because they get in the way of all the drama.


Sounds like you needed this.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Fact

Main Entry: fact
Pronunciation: \ˈfakt\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin factum, from neuter of factus, past participle of facere
Date: 15th century
1 : a thing done: as a obsolete : feat b : crime <accessory after the fact>c archaic : action
2 archaic : performance, doing
3 : the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>
4 a : something that has actual existence <space exploration is now a fact> b : an actual occurrence <prove the fact of damage>
5 : a piece of information presented as having objective reality
— in fact : in truth


And FWIW, where do people get money to spend? In the old days they got it from WORKING. Sometimes they worked for evil companies and sometimes people worked for themselves. Notice that WORK was involved somewhere in that equation. People who wanted to be successful worked more than 40 hours a week. But now money gets bestowed by the government. I wonder where the government gets it from?

FYI - money does not only come from work. It can also come from investments.



If the government can't make it with what it already receives, then maybe GOVERNMENT is the problem, not all the evil capitalists who go around employing people and buying things and investing and donating.


I guess you haven't heard of the government outsourcing and the Industrial Military Complex and no-bid contracts. When politicians use the collected taxes to put money into the pockets of the people who donated to their campaigns of course you are not going to have enough to deal with what needs to be done. If I recall correctly those were called corruption and bribes.

AMEN!! Why don't more people get this?

When something is delusional then you are going to find that most people do not get it. Thinking that you have some omnipotent ability to control everything is not exactly considered sane thinking.

[southsider]

What were they supposed to do, shoot down every civilian airplane in the country when no one was sure yet what was going on?

At the very least I would have expected the last two to have had a military escort at the very least if not to have been shot down.

By the way there is some speculation that the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania was shot down.

Rumsfeld saying plane was shot down

YouTube - Rumsfeld slips up and admits flight 93 shot down


This is a video of a guy that claims to be a witness to the crash and saw a second plane. (not a TV report)

YouTube - Flight 93 Eyewitness Sees A Second Plane, Says Flight 93 Was Shot Down

CBS interview with fighter pilots

YouTube - CBS - President Bush ordered UA93 shot down BEFORE the crash

Video of a woman that claims to be a witness and saw a small plane not a 747 go over her car (not a TV report)

YouTube - FLIGHT 93 CRASH WITNESS SAW NO BOEING 757

[beth119]

All right, here we go again for about the 5th time. Not all government spending is wealth redistribution. Paying a government employee for WORK they do is not akin to taking money from one citizen and giving to someone else who didn't earn it (which IS wealth redistribution). The military WORKS for their pay. Police WORK for their pay. What work does a lifelong welfare recipient do? Why are the taxpayers paying for things like cell phones for people who can't even afford to buy their own food? Do you see a difference?

Okay... lets review. Because police officers and military WORK for their money, its ok? Ok... so social workers who deal with assistance applications WORK for their money too...

Both of providing a service to someone WHO IS IN NEED. Your arguement makes no sense. Police officers aren;t there to benefit just each other. They are there to to benefit people who are IN NEED...

What were they supposed to do, shoot down every civilian airplane in the country when no one was sure yet what was going on?

Um, I don't think it was that black and white.

[CW&M Mom]

You had me until the 9/11 conspiracy theory

[southsider]

You had me until the 9/11 conspiracy theory

Well I was asked if I expected the planes to be shot down. I went one further and showed that there actually were some people who thought one of the planes was shot down. By the way just for the record in that CBS interview one of the fighter pilots did say they were given an order to shoot planes down.

I am not supporting a conspiracy theory but I don't think that we had an real investigation into what happened that day. I think that there is a lot that the Government knows that they are not telling us. I don't think that means that the Government planned or was complicit in what happened. I do think that there was a lot of incompetence that day - some of which we heard about and some of which we have not yet heard about. I suspect what is being covered up is to protect somebody high up or somebody with connections. I don't think it takes a conspiracy theorist to realize that there is a lot of corruption out there.

[Dengineer]

Okay... lets review. Because police officers and military WORK for their money, its ok? Ok... so social workers who deal with assistance applications WORK for their money too...

Both of providing a service to someone WHO IS IN NEED. Your arguement makes no sense. Police officers aren;t there to benefit just each other. They are there to to benefit people who are IN NEED...

It is not the job of government to help everyone fill every need they have--the job of the American government is to protect basic human rights so everyone can take care of their own needs. I really don't know how much clearer I can make it.

The thing with your comparison is the local police keep general law and order (which benefits the general public AND preserves life and property) and social workers participate in the redistribution of wealth (which only benefits the recipient.) Public assistance IS redistribution of wealth and should NOT be a function of the federal government--preventing criminals from committing crimes against people is something the government should do on a local basis.

Um, I don't think it was that black and white.

Um, that was my point.

[southsider]

It is not the job of government to help everyone fill every need they have--the job of the American government is to protect basic human rights so everyone can take care of their own needs. I really don't know how much clearer I can make it.

The thing with your comparison is the local police keep general law and order (which benefits the general public AND preserves life and property) and social workers participate in the redistribution of wealth (which only benefits the recipient.) Public assistance IS redistribution of wealth and should NOT be a function of the federal government-- Does this include the government grants that are given to charitable organizations? preventing criminals from committing crimes against people is something the government should do on a local basis. You are aware that a lot of your local services are funded in part at least by the Federal Government?

Um, that was my point.

How low of a standard do you have for basic human rights? What about when the government is complicit in preventing people form getting redress for wrongs? How about when the government sets the standards so high or makes people jumps through hoops and thus preventing them from getting redress for wrongs and injuries?

How does that go now Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness?

When the government sets up a ridiculously short time that doesn't give a person enough time to gather enough evidence to bring a suit for injury

When the government helps a company cover up that it sold food that killed people

When the government does not prosecute people or companies that maliciously cause death or injury

When the government hides information that something is hazardous

Insuring that people have something to fall back on in emergencies or when they can't work because of a disability is for the Common Good.

Insuring that people can get medical help is for the Common Good.

Making sure people have shelter or enough to eat is part of the Common Good.



If you don't have money or property or food to eat than what good is the police or fire department going to be for you. I know it is wealth redistribution. The reverse Robin Hood. Let's take from the poor and give to the wealthy. If you don't have a car what good are roads to you? If you don't have kids what good are public schools to you?

I've got a news flash for you! Not everybody wants or can take advantage of those things you want but they want some of the things that you apparently have a problem with. Guess what? Compromise is part of the way our government works. Grow up and live with it. You are not going to have everything your way. That's life!!!

[beth119]

Keeping "general law and order" is okay.. not redistribution (even if you are never a criminal or victim)

And making sure sick people get care isan't....

oh.