Organizing for America???

[meems]

Does this not smack of ACORN all over?

[ATLmom]

You got that right....there is plenty of #5 going around this country. That is my point. No one complains about government involvement in their lives when they are benefiting from #5 now do they?

Our children are not going to be put into bondage! I'm still not understanding what the big hang up here is. There are plenty of graduation requirements that are far more idiotic than this. How about that little foreign language requirement? Real constitutional, making my kid learn to speak another language or they don't graduate. How does my daughter being forced to take woodshop as a graduation requirement help anyone. I can see where that benefits the welfare of our country far better then getting out there and helping your fellow man.

As far as the abortion topic. That has nothing to do with this so don't even go there. Its none of your business what other people do with their bodies anymore than it is their business what you do with yours.

I'm not really understanding your comparison here. What has graduation requirements got to do with signing a pledge to support Obama's plan? We are not guaranteed a high school diploma in the constitution.

[cade_avery]

His organizing isn't doing so well. I saw on the news this morning that they have contacted 14 million people to ask for pledges and have only gotten 100 thousand pledges. That's less than .01%. And all 14 million they contacted were supposed to be Democrats.
They are sending the pledges to Congress today, but if I had gotten those kind of results, I would have stalled and hope people forgot, lol.

[loaslaen]

You got that right....there is plenty of #5 going around this country. That is my point. No one complains about government involvement in their lives when they are benefiting from #5 now do they?

You just don't get it, do you? The purpose of the government is for the benefit of the people. The government were given their powers BY THE PEOPLE. Their powers are limited by the Constitution of the United States.
When the government oversteps those powers, you're dang right people are going to complain. EVERY government oath includes "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

As Ben Franklin is quoted and is written on the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty:

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Our children are not going to be put into bondage! I'm still not understanding what the big hang up here is. There are plenty of graduation requirements that are far more idiotic than this. How about that little foreign language requirement? Real constitutional, making my kid learn to speak another language or they don't graduate. How does my daughter being forced to take woodshop as a graduation requirement help anyone. I can see where that benefits the welfare of our country far better then getting out there and helping your fellow man.

Hitler had his own mandatory youth program.

The government gets it's money from the people. If the people have to rely on the government to bail them out, then the government has to borrow money somewhere else. The people have to send MORE money to the government to cover their incurring debt. The debt we have incurred by bailing out these companies will keep our children in servitude for the coming years.

As far as the abortion topic. That has nothing to do with this so don't even go there. Its none of your business what other people do with their bodies anymore than it is their business what you do with yours.

Oh, I'm going there. Abortion destroys ALL 6 of the points listed for roles of the government. Government-sanctioned killing of innocent children is most certainly MY business. Especially when Obama is going to allow for such things that include embryonic stem-cell research, overturning Bush's ban on partial-birth abortion, and government-funded abortions.

Apparently, that "what I do with my body is none of your business" depends on the situation. Suicide isn't criminalized, but assisted suicide is. There are laws that protect you from yourself, such as seatbelt laws. There are laws that prevent you from putting certain chemicals or drugs in your body. So obviously the government has some say in what you do with your body. So, yeah, it is my business.

[Siageah]

You just don't get it, do you? The purpose of the government is for the benefit of the people. The government were given their powers BY THE PEOPLE. Their powers are limited by the Constitution of the United States. [/COLOR]

And why does the ACLU piss off conservatives so much? Really, I am just curious. No one irks conservatives quite like them.

But anyway, what does have people go door to door and ask for signatures have to do that harms your Constitutional rights? Why has this set the conservatives off? Are petitions somehow violating civil liberties?

Hitler had his own mandatory youth program.

Wow. Hitler.

This thread is going to spiral down quickly.

The volunteer, or community service, program that the House has passed that would create a requirement (that a large number of schools already have in place) that could be avoided the same way it can be avoided today.

Private school or homeschooling.

Oh, I'm going there. Abortion destroys ALL 6 of the points listed for roles of the government.

Abortion and Hilter in one post.

Ouch.

[beth119]

[quote=loaslaen;1665768]You just don't get it, do you? The purpose of the government is for the benefit of the people. The government were given their powers BY THE PEOPLE. Their powers are limited by the Constitution of the United States.
When the government oversteps those powers, you're dang right people are going to complain. EVERY government oath includes "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

As Ben Franklin is quoted and is written on the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty:

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. No one is giving up a liberty... Although...this is a VERY VERY fitting quote describe the PREVIOUS administration...




Hitler had his own mandatory youth program. Goodness! Then you can compare most HIGH SCHOOLS to Hitler!

The government gets it's money from the people. If the people have to rely on the government to bail them out, then the government has to borrow money somewhere else. The people have to send MORE money to the government to cover their incurring debt. The debt we have incurred by bailing out these companies will keep our children in servitude for the coming years. Don't even start to blame all debt on Pres Obama. Thats plain ridiculous!



Oh, I'm going there. Abortion destroys ALL 6 of the points listed for roles of the government. Government-sanctioned killing of innocent children is most certainly MY business. Especially when Obama is going to allow for such things that include embryonic stem-cell research, overturning Bush's ban on partial-birth abortion, and government-funded abortions. Calling a bunch of cells "life" while children like my daughter suffer from diseases that can be cured is CRUEL. There are kids out there who ARE NOT IN A PETRY DISH, but alive and breathing, who WILL DIE. They have potential to be cured by that petry dish you want to call life. It just goes to show that some people ARE NOT PRO LIFE, JUST PRO BIRTH. I guess the kids dying right here and right now don't matter one freakin bit to you?

Apparently, that "what I do with my body is none of your business" depends on the situation. Suicide isn't criminalized, but assisted suicide is. There are laws that protect you from yourself, such as seatbelt laws. There are laws that prevent you from putting certain chemicals or drugs in your body. So obviously the government has some say in what you do with your body. So, yeah, it is my business.[/quote]

I am not getting on the abortion rant anymore. It all comes down to religion. Which might I add, has no place in govt.

[beth119]

Well, I for one, DON'T complain when the government "leaves me out." I wish every day the government would leave me out more. I don't think the government (or their minions--I mean CARING VOLUNTEERS) should be going around door trying to "include" people. If people want to volunteer why don't they do something that REALLY helps people, like serving meals to the homeless or building a house for a needy person? Or why don't they get a job doing something productive for society instead of going around knocking on people's doors bothering them. Most people already know plenty about Obama's plans and yet still don't support them. I guess the government thinks they just need more encouragement (or maybe some re-education). Remember when JFK said "Ask not what you're country can do for you, but what YOU can do for you're country."? To bad our selfish society has overrun that idea...


This kind of crap is exactly the thing to be complaining about. We can't pay for the programs we already have in place and the government wants to do more. Why? Because they CARE--they just CARE...so darn much! Well caring doesn't pay the bills! This country is getting run into the ground because of "caring" and I wonder why doesn't anyone care about that?

I think it is incredible that SOME people still care about their country. Too bad more don't :shrug7:

Besides....what is the difference from knocking on doors to reach people, who using the television, radio, travel, etc..
From the same article posted earlier...

Ronald Reagan: The former actor was comfortable on camera and used television addresses in his first months in office to connect with viewers - most successfully when he asked voters to write their legislators and urge them to repeal taxes. Measures to do that were passed. OMG, D! You're HERO asked people to DO SOMETHING. TO SUPPORT SOMETHING. GASP! He should have just LEFT YOU ALONE!

George W. Bush: In early 2005, Bush used the "political capital" he asserted he had received from his 2004 re-election to promote a revamping of the Social Security system. He crisscrossed the country to drum up support for his proposal, but after GOP defections, it never even got a vote in Congress.
AGGHHHHH---Bush hit a "campaign trail" looking for support for his ideas! What a nut! He should have stayed home and shut up and focused on the country!

[Dengineer]

I think it is incredible that SOME people still care about their country. Too bad more don't :shrug7:

Besides....what is the difference from knocking on doors to reach people, who using the television, radio, travel, etc..
From the same article posted earlier...

Ronald Reagan: The former actor was comfortable on camera and used television addresses in his first months in office to connect with viewers - most successfully when he asked voters to write their legislators and urge them to repeal taxes. Measures to do that were passed. OMG, D! You're HERO asked people to DO SOMETHING. TO SUPPORT SOMETHING. GASP! He should have just LEFT YOU ALONE!

George W. Bush: In early 2005, Bush used the "political capital" he asserted he had received from his 2004 re-election to promote a revamping of the Social Security system. He crisscrossed the country to drum up support for his proposal, but after GOP defections, it never even got a vote in Congress.
AGGHHHHH---Bush hit a "campaign trail" looking for support for his ideas! What a nut! He should have stayed home and shut up and focused on the country!

Give me a break--apples and oranges. The President using the media to communicate with people is something that has always been done--and our current President still uses that method--he's constantly on TV going on about something. However, the President using minions to go around and personally harass people is pretty new. I'm glad to hear it's not working so well--probably even people who support Obama don't trust the government enough to want to give out their email so they can be contacted, even for such worthy causes as furthering our nation down the road to socialism.

[beth119]

Give me a break--apples and oranges. The President using the media to communicate with people is something that has always been done--and our current President still uses that method--he's constantly on TV going on about something. However, the President using minions to go around and personally harass people is pretty new. I'm glad to hear it's not working so well--probably even people who support Obama don't trust the government enough to want to give out their email so they can be contacted, even for such worthy causes as furthering our nation down the road to socialism.

Personally harass? Is that what you think it is?

Lets see who else has PERSONALY HARASSED me lately--

1. In Nov, the MINIONS of the McCain campaign, and the Kingston one.

2. The brat down the street trying to sell me candy bars to raise money for school trips.

3. The Jehovah Witness who wanted to tell me about how we are going to pet lions in the next life (or something like that)

4. Those pesky girl scouts trying to sell me their over priced cookies (although, I did buy 3 boxes of thin mints...BRAINWASHED!)

5. The boy scouts who wanted to sell me tickets to a chilli dinner.

6. The guy from At&t who felt that I may need a new home security system.

7. My neighbor who wanted to borrow a rake.

8. In January, the nut from the LOCAL REPUBLICAN group who wanted me to join in the PRO LIFE rally on the anniversery of ROE V WADE. ( )

WOW!
So, if a group that YOU LIKED (like Reaganites) knocked on your door asking you to support something YOU believed in, then it would prob be okay?

[Dengineer]

I think it is incredible that SOME people still care about their country. Too bad more don't :shrug7:

Besides....what is the difference from knocking on doors to reach people, who using the television, radio, travel, etc..
From the same article posted earlier...

Ronald Reagan: The former actor was comfortable on camera and used television addresses in his first months in office to connect with viewers - most successfully when he asked voters to write their legislators and urge them to repeal taxes. Measures to do that were passed. OMG, D! You're HERO asked people to DO SOMETHING. TO SUPPORT SOMETHING. GASP! He should have just LEFT YOU ALONE!

George W. Bush: In early 2005, Bush used the "political capital" he asserted he had received from his 2004 re-election to promote a revamping of the Social Security system. He crisscrossed the country to drum up support for his proposal, but after GOP defections, it never even got a vote in Congress.
AGGHHHHH---Bush hit a "campaign trail" looking for support for his ideas! What a nut! He should have stayed home and shut up and focused on the country!

And how dare YOU call ME bitter and hateful--that's a laugh! I CARE just as much about this country as anyone and it really ticks me off to see it being destroyed, the Constitution being trampled on a daily basis and individual freedoms and liberties eroded in favor of socialist ideals. America wasn't founded as a socialist collective--it was founded to preserve individual rights and freedoms and that is all going down the tubes. If you like that, I don't fault you for being happy about it but not everyone likes socialism, especially the people paying for it all!