Bad Trader List Updates - Page 3

Puffalapeno · 09-27-2008, 11:18:50 PM

While I can understand your concerns, I've yet to see or hear about someone being looked up/hunted down because their user name and street were listed on a bad trader board. I really don't see it as being any different than the police log in the newspaper that DOES list names, street that they live on and the city as well as detail what citation they were issued and what crime they committed.

And as for banning IPs as a solution, there are ways for them (scammers) to work around that if they want to, so that really doesn't do anything to protect the traders here from dealing with someone who isn't on the up and up.

OceanWave · 09-27-2008, 11:30:56 PM

Originally Posted by Doreen

You're right! You definitely never know who you can trust!

Although, without trust in the world, how can we rely on anyone else. I guess I could just stay in my house, and not go out because who can trust that the mailman didn't put a bomb in my mailbox, who can trust that my neighbor won't shoot me when I drive by his house, who can trust that there might a rabid wild animal waiting to bite me, who can trust the gas station pump won't explode when I fill my gas tank, who can trust that the convenient store my be getting robbed when I get ready to walk in and they shoot me too, who can trust.................

I guess I could just stay in my hole and talk to no one or anything, but ......

I choose to live life!

Living life & being somewhat cautious can be done simultaneously.

OceanWave · 09-27-2008, 11:38:05 PM

Originally Posted by Puffalapeno

While I can understand your concerns, I've yet to see or hear about someone being looked up/hunted down because their user name and street were listed on a bad trader board. I really don't see it as being any different than the police log in the newspaper that DOES list names, street that they live on and the city as well as detail what citation they were issued and what crime they committed.

And as for banning IPs as a solution, there are ways for them (scammers) to work around that if they want to, so that really doesn't do anything to protect the traders here from dealing with someone who isn't on the up and up.

I am a member of other forums as well and they won't even discuss members' accounts in any way with other members, even if they've been banned or not for breaking the rules. They are respecting the privacy of every member, not just the "good" ones as I said previously.

I do understand what most of you are getting at and do agree there need to be safeguards in place to protect members from others who are out to cheat/steal from them. I just don't think divulging their personal information to every member is the way to do it is all.

I have no issue with the way bad members are determined, or punished for that matter (being banned, etc.). My only issue is the giving out of personal information to every member. I am truly not trying to play the devil's advocate here, or defend anyone. It's the privacy issue that I am concerned about.

sbp · 09-27-2008, 11:47:00 PM

I'm not sure if this will help with your concerns at all, but I'm going to toss it out there anyways.

That email that was recently sent with the latest additions to the bad trader list did not go out to each of our 75,000+ members, it was only sent out to those members who are a part of the trader group.

Also we do have a forum here where the same information is posted, but it is a private forum, in that you also need to be a member of the trader group in order to view it.

Puffalapeno · 09-27-2008, 11:50:54 PM

Originally Posted by OceanWave

I am a member of other forums as well and they won't even discuss members' accounts in any way with other members, even if they've been banned or not for breaking the rules. They are respecting the privacy of every member, not just the "good" ones as I said previously.

I do understand what most of you are getting at and do agree there need to be safeguards in place to protect members from others who are out to cheat/steal from them. I just don't think divulging their personal information to every member is the way to do it is all.

I have no issue with the way bad members are determined, or punished for that matter (being banned, etc.). My only issue is the giving out of personal information to every member. I am truly not trying to play the devil's advocate here, or defend anyone. It's the privacy issue that I am concerned about.

As far as I knew, only the members of the trading group receive that email so it's not going to everyone on the board, only to those who sign up for the trader group. I'm a member of other forums as well, and some of them give A LOT more information about bad traders than is given here. They aren't listed the second that someone reports a bad trade. The moderators will mediate and try to bring the situation to a amicable conclusion, the reporting of user name and location are a last resort. Their privacy would be very well preserved on this board if they just make good on the deal they agreed to.

OceanWave · 09-27-2008, 11:51:28 PM

Originally Posted by sbp

I'm not sure if this will help with your concerns at all, but I'm going to toss it out there anyways.

That email that was recently sent with the latest additions to the bad trader list did not go out to each of our 75,000+ members, it was only sent out to those members who are a part of the trader group.

Also we do have a forum here where the same information is posted, but it is a private forum, in that you also need to be a member of the trader group in order to view it.

Thanks for letting me know that. That is better than I thought. But, as I said previously, HCW cannot attest to the reliability of its members, even the trader group members. It's still putting very private info out there to a lot of people.

OceanWave · 09-27-2008, 11:54:03 PM

Originally Posted by Puffalapeno

As far as I knew, only the members of the trading group receive that email so it's not going to everyone on the board, only to those who sign up for the trader group. I'm a member of other forums as well, and some of them give A LOT more information about bad traders than is given here. They aren't listed the second that someone reports a bad trade. The moderators will mediate and try to bring the situation to a amicable conclusion, the reporting of user name and location are a last resort. Their privacy would be very well preserved on this board if they just make good on the deal they agreed to.

I receive the emails, and I don't trade. If I'm a member of the trading group I'm not sure why. Not that I'm asking to be removed but if I'm a member and don't trade, others must be as well.

As I stated previously I have no issue with how the bad traders are determined; I am sure that is the last resort.

druidessemily · 09-27-2008, 11:58:37 PM

Originally Posted by OceanWave

I receive the emails, and I don't trade. If I'm a member of the trading group I'm not sure why. Not that I'm asking to be removed but if I'm a member and don't trade, others must be as well.

As I stated previously I have no issue with how the bad traders are determined; I am sure that is the last resort.

You are a member of the trader group, there's a flag under your name in your posts. At one time or another, you must have signed up for it.

I can really see both sides of the issue. I wouldn't want people to post my address (even without actual street address) online for even a "small" group to view. BUT, I do see how it can be beneficial in keeping down the scamming, both by alerting people to a general address of a trader, and to "scare" people into being a good trader if you don't want your personal information given out. It is not mandatory that people join the trader's forum. Those that do know the rules and know the consequences, so you are in effect agreeing to your address being posted.

OceanWave · 09-28-2008, 12:02:38 AM

Originally Posted by druidessemily

You are a member of the trader group, there's a flag under your name in your posts. At one time or another, you must have signed up for it.

I can really see both sides of the issue. I wouldn't want people to post my address (even without actual street address) online for even a "small" group to view. BUT, I do see how it can be beneficial in keeping down the scamming, both by alerting people to a general address of a trader, and to "scare" people into being a good trader if you don't want your personal information given out. It is not mandatory that people join the trader's forum. Those that do know the rules and know the consequences, so you are in effect agreeing to your address being posted.

And I too see their POV on this. I just feel that a company/website needs to take the privacy of their members more seriously.