Am I the only one who is ticked about the "school supply" lists?

[inthelooneybin]

Originally Posted by cheynesnana I understand that our children are using these items.. and have no problem sending some in..but when I was growing up everything was provided by the school until we got to high school ! My question is.. where is all the tax money going if the teachers and parents have to supply everything children need for an education now?

Parents are not supplying everything (desk, chair, building, books, etc.). Teachers are not supplying everything (kleenex, pencils, paper, etc.)
District is not supplying everything.

These three parties working together is what supplies everything needed for a child's education. Working together being the key words. Pointing fingers is not the answer and definitely not the solution.

Many statements where made that disturb me. Some of which have not even been researched, just assumed. Although some were, but I believe most were not.

"I dare you to walk a mile in my shoes." Ever heard that one before. It seems parents and teachers are "daring" each other. How about I dare everyone to do what is best for the child.

I know this is the "hot under the collar" forum. But if you take a moment to go back and read what has been posted, you'll find that it has become a finger pointing situation.....sadly, the finger pointers are the adults that are responsible for educating the children(teachers) and raising the children (parents). If those children would read these posts, what would they think?

No, I'm not innocent and I'm not better than anyone else.
It's just that I reread all of the posts and was quite disturbed by some of them.

"It takes a village to raise a child."
Getting off soap box now.

Sincerely,
A seriously disturbed math teacher that cares too much. I think I'll actually start my vacation now.

[abh5e8]

Originally Posted by inthelooneybin Lysol wipes are most certainly for the protection of students health. Germs are everywhere. Imagine a student sneezing on a table (center/station), next student comes for his turn at that table (center/station) and voila, disease is spread. Hmmmm. 20 kids, 180 days, how many sneezes is that? Okay, maybe excessive on the explaining, but just trying to give one scenerio.

so am i the ONLY one who knows that there are other options besides expensive lysol/clorox wipes and alcohol hand sanitizer to keep kids clean and healthy????? :hectic1::hectic1: kleenex, ok, but still, when you sneeze you CAN go to the bathroom, use TP to wipe yoru nose and gosh, wash your hands with soap. besides, i really dont' think that teachers are wiping down the table/center/station between every childs use...more like once a day or week. germs are everywhere...and that is why we have immune systems. our bodies are COVERED in germs, in fact. its usually when we kill all these normal germs (think endless hand sanitizer) that the occasional bad one actually has the ability to grow.

a bottle of bleach, a spray bottle and all the water you want will work on all the hard surfaces. soap and water in the bathroom will work on their hands. come on...they are not learning with MRSA or radiation.

and as far as coffee filters for snack, would it be so hard to ask for 1 plastic bowel or plate?

come on people...not everything has to be disposable!!!

[derketchup]

Originally Posted by abh5e8 so am i the ONLY one who knows that there are other options besides expensive lysol/clorox wipes and alcohol hand sanitizer to keep kids clean and healthy????? :hectic1::hectic1: kleenex, ok, but still, when you sneeze you CAN go to the bathroom, use TP to wipe yoru nose and gosh, wash your hands with soap. besides, i really dont' think that teachers are wiping down the table/center/station between every childs use...more like once a day or week. germs are everywhere...and that is why we have immune systems. our bodies are COVERED in germs, in fact. its usually when we kill all these normal germs (think endless hand sanitizer) that the occasional bad one actually has the ability to grow. a bottle of bleach, a spray bottle and all the water you want will work on all the hard surfaces. soap and water in the bathroom will work on their hands. come on...they are not learning with MRSA or radiation. and as far as coffee filters for snack, would it be so hard to ask for 1 plastic bowel or plate? come on people...not everything has to be disposable!!!

I know. I'm thinking about carrying a handkerchief again.

[cheynesnana]

I'm sorry.. I guess I should have explained better I realize the schools provide alot.. my point was that years ago.. (too many to count).. everything was provided by the school.. crayons.. pencils.. workbooks.. paper.. soap.. paper towel. I have stated that I never had a problem sending in items that my child will use.. but.. schools keep asking for more money... taxes keep going up... and the list of needs keeps getting longer..that's what I'm not understanding.

Originally Posted by inthelooneybin Parents are not supplying everything (desk, chair, building, books, etc.). Teachers are not supplying everything (kleenex, pencils, paper, etc.) District is not supplying everything. These three parties working together is what supplies everything needed for a child's education. Working together being the key words. Pointing fingers is not the answer and definitely not the solution. Many statements where made that disturb me. Some of which have not even been researched, just assumed. Although some were, but I believe most were not. "I dare you to walk a mile in my shoes." Ever heard that one before. It seems parents and teachers are "daring" each other. How about I dare everyone to do what is best for the child. I know this is the "hot under the collar" forum. But if you take a moment to go back and read what has been posted, you'll find that it has become a finger pointing situation.....sadly, the finger pointers are the adults that are responsible for educating the children(teachers) and raising the children (parents). If those children would read these posts, what would they think? No, I'm not innocent and I'm not better than anyone else. It's just that I reread all of the posts and was quite disturbed by some of them. "It takes a village to raise a child." Getting off soap box now. Sincerely, A seriously disturbed math teacher that cares too much. I think I'll actually start my vacation now.

[coupongirl69]

My youngest is starting Kindergarten and I had to go online and get it off of the schools website. When I enrolled him I asked for one and the office said the teacher would mail us a list the week before school started.
Hey, thanks for the heads up.
My daughter is in middle school and in the first week of school is when she gets her supply list and each teacher has a different list.
Thanks for getting that to us while the sales are on.
And they all want extras.

The list of extras for my kindergartener was longer than the list of things he needed himself.
Oh! and don't label anything, why is that so HMMM! So they all get put in the same bunch and get picked out of as needed.
Our school district had to cut the budget by 3 million this year so they cut bus driver jobs, laid off teachers, changed the school start and stop times and restructured the sports programs.
The teachers will be hurting here even more.

[inthelooneybin]

Originally Posted by abh5e8 so am i the ONLY one who knows that there are other options besides expensive lysol/clorox wipes and alcohol hand sanitizer to keep kids clean and healthy????? :hectic1::hectic1: kleenex, ok, but still, when you sneeze you CAN go to the bathroom, use TP to wipe yoru nose and gosh, wash your hands with soap. besides, i really dont' think that teachers are wiping down the table/center/station between every childs use...more like once a day or week. germs are everywhere...and that is why we have immune systems. our bodies are COVERED in germs, in fact. its usually when we kill all these normal germs (think endless hand sanitizer) that the occasional bad one actually has the ability to grow. a bottle of bleach, a spray bottle and all the water you want will work on all the hard surfaces. soap and water in the bathroom will work on their hands. come on...they are not learning with MRSA or radiation. and as far as coffee filters for snack, would it be so hard to ask for 1 plastic bowel or plate? come on people...not everything has to be disposable!!!

I know I said I was getting off of my soapbox, but I thought I would share an explanation.

It has been my experience that most students that go to the restroom to wash hands/blow their nose/look in the mirror/actually use the restroom take their time getting back to class and sometimes get into trouble if there is more than one child there since they are not supervised. A teacher is not going to follow one child to the restroom and supervise and leave the rest of the class unattended. This in turn takes up class time. I've had a child take 15 minutes after going to the restroom to wash his hands, come to find he was talking to a friend in the hallway missing out on instruction.

Secondly, teachers don't have time to wash dishes/bowls in class. Most of us try to use our time more efficiently on grading and planning.

I believe quick and easy clean up is the key so that we can get back to learning ASAP.

I know there are two sides to every story, but we need to keep in mind what is important.

BTW, you would be surprised as to what cleaners can and cannot be used in the classroom. Some formulas are not to be mixed because they can create some sort of toxic fumes that can be fatal. So if "Jimmy" brings one type of cleaner and "Mary" brings another and kids are spraying and cleaning, I would hate to think what could happen. We are shown safety videos at the beginning of every year and this always comes up.

I think the wipees avoid the overspray that a child might also breathe in or get on the clothing and stain.

HTH

[latte]

Originally Posted by inthelooneybin Secondly, teachers don't have time to wash dishes/bowls in class. Most of us try to use our time more efficiently on grading and planning.

my sons teacher for 2nd grade didnt grade his work, her assistant graded EVERYTHING, same thing with my daughters kindergarten class room, the teachers assistant graded EVERYTHING also.

[inthelooneybin]

Originally Posted by latte my sons teacher for 2nd grade didnt grade his work, her assistant graded EVERYTHING, same thing with my daughters kindergarten class room, the teachers assistant graded EVERYTHING also.

I did say most of us. Unfortunately, I guess you got someone from the other section.:shrug7:

Just curious? How did you come by this info and did you ever address this with the principal? Just wondering.

[inthelooneybin]

BTW, I wish I had an assistant. I'd probably get him/her to wash the bowls and plates.

Sorry, corny I know. Couldn't help it.:shrug7:

[latte]

Originally Posted by inthelooneybin I did say most of us. Unfortunately, I guess you got someone from the other section.:shrug7: Just curious? How did you come by this info and did you ever address this with the principal? Just wondering.

I asked my son why his notes home (to bring in extra supplies that week, or attitude notification or what have you) were in differnt handwriting then his graded assignments, and he told me the assistant graded papers, when I asked the principal why the assistant was doing the teachers job I was given a standard "teachers are busy and have other things to do."
Now I do know that the assistants are at that "almost a teacher" part of their education and careers---at least my sons 2nd grade assistant was.
My daughters kindergarten teacher and I bumped heads (to put it nicely) so in that case, where I didnt even want my daughter in her class, i was more then happy to have the assistant grade her papers