Vaccinating for H1N1?

[CW&M Mom]

Actually too...if I recall the swine flu vaccine isn't being made from egss this year because that takes too long...they are doing it in "cells" instead...but yes they are making it basically just like the reg flu vaccine. It's not something that new.

And you probably get more mercury out of a can of tuna...than a vaccine..and mercury comes in many different forms....theromosil being one that actually gets eliminated out of your body very fast. Which is why they use it.

The reason they are "thinking" that pregnant women are dying from this at a much higher rate...is that when your pregnant your baby is pushing on your lungs...leaving you with less use of your lungs...and that some how this is causing infections to start easier...and what they have noticed so far...is that once infections start....they can't get them to stop and so the outlook for someone pregnant who has H1N1 who is having complications from it...is not good.

[dliver316]

Some of the flu vaccines available still contain the full dose of mercury, 25mcg.

The FDA says that the "safe" level of mercury is only 0.1 mcg per kg of body weight per day. 1 kg = 2.2046 lbs So a person would have to weigh 555.15 lbs for the amount of mercury in some of the flu vaccines to be considered "safe."

There are several brands of the regular flu vaccine available. FluLaval brand contains the full dose of mercury 25mcg.
Fluzone also makes a very small supply of mercury-free flu shots for older children and adults.
Fluzone devotes most of their manufacturing facilities to making the full-dose mercury-containing large bottles of flu shots for all age groups.

A study published (3/1/06) shows that the rate of neurodevelopmental disorders (NDs) in children has decreased following removal of thimerosal, a preservative containing the neurotoxin mercury, from American childhood vaccines. The study, published in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, a peer reviewed journal, by Dr. Mark Geier and David Geier examined two independent databases maintained by the government - one national and one state. The Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) database maintained by the Centers for Disease Control and the Californian Department of Developmental Services (CDDS) database each showed the same downward trend for the period from 2002 through 2005.

[VivaciousJewelz]

I will not be giving Caroline this vaccine and I doubt I will get it myself since I do not work in a high-risk area like a hospital or school. I've already started taking extreme precautions to build my immune system anyway, so if it gets really bad like they say, I'll just plan some vacation days to minimize my exposure risk.

[MrsAlias]

My children have never had the reg flu shot... they are 8, 7 and 16 months. They will not get getting the reg flu shot this year, or the H1N1 shot.

I am 30 weeks preggo and my OB is already bugging me about it.

I have never had a flu shot (and I was a nurse for 7 years before becomming a SAHM 3 years ago) and I will diffently NOT be getting the H1N1 shot while being preggo this year.

Its my opinion that the H1N1 shot has not been around enough to have studied the long term affects of the shot on the human body.

And for the PP who mentioned Gardisil ( my 2 oldest are girls) we will be skiping that shot for now as well, again, it has only been on the market for 6 years, I want it around at lease 10 to study the long term affects. Plus the girls cant have it until age 9, and as long as they have it before they are sexualy active, its ok. So I can wait another 5 years on that one.

[CoffeeMom]

I will be vax'ing my 16 month old for both as long as his allergy testing shows no reaction to the shots (severely allergic to a laundry list of things.) He has asthma so the flu would be more serious for him. My youngest won't be old enough to be vax'd. DH & I will also (I'm working with medically compromised old folks and DH has bad asthma also.)

[wildnutcase]

Originally Posted by dliver316 Flu vaccines in multi dose vials still have mercury (thimerosal) in them. The following is info from the CDC website about the H1N1 vaccine. Q. Will vaccine be in multi-dose vials? A. The majority of vaccine will be in multi-dose vials, the remainder in single dose syringes or nasal sprayers. The aim is to have enough vaccine in single dose syringes (i.e. preservative free) for young children and pregnant women. How much Thimerosal-free vaccine will be available? A. It is anticipated that enough thimerosal-free vaccine in pre-loaded syringes will be available for young children and pregnant women.

Thank you very much for finding and posting this info.

Originally Posted by cori n wes mom And you probably get more mercury out of a can of tuna...than a vaccine..and mercury comes in many different forms....theromosil being one that actually gets eliminated out of your body very fast. Which is why they use it.

I haven't had tuna for almost 3 years now because of the mercury. 6 months after I lost one kidney to cancer, I found out that the one kidney I have left is not functioning the way it should.......which means the mercury probably won't filter out as fast as it should before it becomes a problem..........so I am not taking any chances with any amount of mercury.

Originally Posted by dliver316 Some of the flu vaccines available still contain the full dose of mercury, 25mcg. The FDA says that the "safe" level of mercury is only 0.1 mcg per kg of body weight per day. 1 kg = 2.2046 lbs So a person would have to weigh 555.15 lbs for the amount of mercury in some of the flu vaccines to be considered "safe." There are several brands of the regular flu vaccine available. FluLaval brand contains the full dose of mercury 25mcg. Fluzone also makes a very small supply of mercury-free flu shots for older children and adults. Fluzone devotes most of their manufacturing facilities to making the full-dose mercury-containing large bottles of flu shots for all age groups. A study published (3/1/06) shows that the rate of neurodevelopmental disorders (NDs) in children has decreased following removal of thimerosal, a preservative containing the neurotoxin mercury, from American childhood vaccines. The study, published in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, a peer reviewed journal, by Dr. Mark Geier and David Geier examined two independent databases maintained by the government - one national and one state. The Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) database maintained by the Centers for Disease Control and the Californian Department of Developmental Services (CDDS) database each showed the same downward trend for the period from 2002 through 2005.

Since I don't weigh anywhere near 555 lbs---I'll pass.

[castocreations]

great discussion! I appreciate everyone's view. I doubt I'll get it...I don't work in a high risk place nor do I have health complications. Now, if baby is born and has issues I will reconsider for him if the doc suggests it.

I hate worrying about all this stuff already!

[FunnyFace]

I highly suggest reading Dr. Mercola's site. I do not support 100% of every issue for which he stands, but I think he's credible in many areas. He supplies you with the facts and statistics of the vaccine and the flu(s). In addition, he talks about ways to ward off the flu. Even if you're not a "nutter" it's always good to get as much information as you can.

One important point about this vaccine unlike other vaccines is you have no recourse should anything go wrong even drastically wrong.

Also you say you are not enthusiastic about vaccines; there is a reason for this. ;) If you don't want to totally eliminate vaccines from your child's life a different schedule may be right for you, like starting at age 2 instead of newborn or not injecting several vaccines all in one day or week.

[nsbarlow]

Nice post!

Originally Posted by dliver316 Some of the flu vaccines available still contain the full dose of mercury, 25mcg. The FDA says that the "safe" level of mercury is only 0.1 mcg per kg of body weight per day. 1 kg = 2.2046 lbs So a person would have to weigh 555.15 lbs for the amount of mercury in some of the flu vaccines to be considered "safe." A study published (3/1/06) shows that the rate of neurodevelopmental disorders (NDs) in children has decreased following removal of thimerosal, a preservative containing the neurotoxin mercury, from American childhood vaccines. The study, published in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, a peer reviewed journal, by Dr. Mark Geier and David Geier examined two independent databases maintained by the government - one national and one state.

[mom2lucas]

Our ped is really highly recommending the H1N1 vaccine for everyone in our family and all caretakers of our children. DD has a couple of heart defects that make her more prone to serious complications from "routine" illnesses. I am on the fence still as I worry about giving her the vaccine and then her having a severe reaction versus not giving her the vaccine and her getting H1N1.

DH took DD to her well-check last week, and the ped recommended giving her the regular flu vaccine at that time. DH allowed it because we intended to get her vaccinated this year anyway, but I thought it was awful early for flu vaccines. Several clincs for flu shots were held this week in my town, and I was really surprised. I thought the vaccine was normally given in October to protect through the worst of the flu season.